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Hosted by one_of_spoons on 2022-02-28 is flagged as Explicit and is released under a CC-BY-SA license.
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Just a mixed up overview of cases in the natural human languages of Russian and English types.


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Comment #1 posted on 2022-02-28 14:07:36 by publius

"Have" constructions

For most speakers of Western European languages, whether more (eg German) or less (eg English) inflected, Latin serves as the paradigm for inflected languages. Of course it's not anything like as commonly taught in schools anymore, but it's still there in the background, serving as the model against which the grammar of the vernacular has traditionally been constructed. For the Sclavonic languages, such as Russian, the paradigm is Classical Greek.

In Latin, there is of course a verb "habere" meaning "to have" (as well as "tenere", "to hold"), but it is common to use the copula or being-verb with the dative. In other words, "I have it" or "it belongs to me" is often expressed with "id mihi est", quasi-literally translated into English as "it to-me is".

Interestingly, I have read that, in many languages, whatever "have" constructions exist tend to be taken over by the verb meaning "hold" or "grasp". An obvious example is the way that, in Spanish for example, the verb derived from "tenere" is used to mean "hold", while the Latin "habere" has essentially vanished. English cognates such as "tenure", "tenancy", and so on also show a movement from the concrete to the abstract.

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