Thanks JWP, I'm glad at least one listener found it useful, having been using it for a good couple of months now I can say I am very impressed and have even found a work around for the usb utilities I use in mint. I have installed Mint 19 beta into virtual box and it seems very good and once the stable release is out it will still be my go to distro for installing for family and friends who are not Linux gurus. Ubuntu Mate will probably remain on my main box until the next LTS cycle as I try and keep that as stable as possible and change OS on it as infrequently as I can get away with.